Comments on: IR35: it’s driven 35% of contractors out of self-employment https://www.freelanceinformer.com/news/ir35/ir35-its-driven-35-of-contractors-out-of-self-employment/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ir35-its-driven-35-of-contractors-out-of-self-employment Empowering the Freelance Economy Wed, 01 Feb 2023 00:13:34 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: Stefan https://www.freelanceinformer.com/news/ir35/ir35-its-driven-35-of-contractors-out-of-self-employment/#comment-2355 Wed, 01 Feb 2023 00:13:34 +0000 https://www.freelanceinformer.com/?p=4661#comment-2355 closed the company, moved away from the UK. My work involved train travel and hotels , so no expenses before tax was the end of it (rail industry). made my calculation and due to costs I would end up having less than 100 quid per day in my pocket . absolutely not worthed. I am now trying to re quality as data scientists (away from Rail engineering ) and hope to stay in the EU ..

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By: Access Doors and Panels https://www.freelanceinformer.com/news/ir35/ir35-its-driven-35-of-contractors-out-of-self-employment/#comment-748 Tue, 01 Mar 2022 10:49:44 +0000 https://www.freelanceinformer.com/?p=4661#comment-748 You have done a fantastic job putting this together and making it available to your readers. Thank you!

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By: Best Access Doors https://www.freelanceinformer.com/news/ir35/ir35-its-driven-35-of-contractors-out-of-self-employment/#comment-638 Wed, 26 Jan 2022 06:16:27 +0000 https://www.freelanceinformer.com/?p=4661#comment-638 It’s great to have this information at hand. Thank you so much for being so helpful! I’m looking forward to your next blog!

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By: Alex https://www.freelanceinformer.com/news/ir35/ir35-its-driven-35-of-contractors-out-of-self-employment/#comment-418 Thu, 18 Nov 2021 12:30:56 +0000 https://www.freelanceinformer.com/?p=4661#comment-418 In reply to robin de villiers.

Same here. Most new IT contracts are inside IR35, however advertised at the same market rates, which means 20-25% pay cut. This effectively prevents UK businesses hire top talent contractors. Some companies have reacted by increasing the daily rates, others are still not getting it. I can tell numerous stories of top professionals leaving their executive contracts because of the IR35 blanket enforcement. These positions are being assigned to junior workers and the results of this would be evident in few months time.

A word about working abroad – IR35 still applies to you as long as you are UK tax resident. So working in Germany will not help.
Contracting is dead.

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By: Robin de Villiers https://www.freelanceinformer.com/news/ir35/ir35-its-driven-35-of-contractors-out-of-self-employment/#comment-394 Thu, 11 Nov 2021 16:36:36 +0000 https://www.freelanceinformer.com/?p=4661#comment-394 In reply to Belinda Brooke.

No IR35 is killing self-employment. There are fewer contractors. Those contractors are more likely to be associated to umbrella companies; those engagements are more limited in choice and renumeration. There are fewer risks now which reflects the static nature of the relationships.

You might argue that those people are no worse off; I would disagree. You might argue that they are not entitled to the tax relief; you might have an argument there (I would argue that dividend tax rates should be the same as PAYE, then all of this becomes irrelevant).

But SELF employment is most certainly less than it was.

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By: robin de villiers https://www.freelanceinformer.com/news/ir35/ir35-its-driven-35-of-contractors-out-of-self-employment/#comment-393 Thu, 11 Nov 2021 16:26:27 +0000 https://www.freelanceinformer.com/?p=4661#comment-393 When IR35 came into effect, it was February 2020. The bank I was working for made a blanket declaration that all contractor roles were now PAYE roles under resourcing houses. They enforced that policy at the end of Feb 2020. The government then postponed IR35 until March 2021. For all of us contractors, this was too little too late.

I left the bank and am now still working outside IR35, but my day rate is far less. Working overseas is much more appealing these days. Renumeration in the UK suffers arbitrage against all other countries demanding IT skills. Now that the UK is penalising it’s IT workers, how should I react? One of my colleagues is now working in Germany. The rest of us have been stuck at home under Covid.

Being a contractor in IT has required that I change jobs every 2 years. This has both positives and negatives. Positives being that my exposure to different problems is now much broader. I’m simply better for it. Permies I work with show their roots. The downside is that contractors build up relationships which is good business and then are effectively prohibited from working with erstwhile clients again. This makes no sense from a business standpoint.

The resourcing houses are now in a position to bid down contractor PAYE day rates, while bidding up supplier rates and taking the difference. In the past the difference has been claimed by recruitment companies that had to compete to attract your engagement. Now since you are affectively a permie working for one of those houses, they can re-roll you into other engagements for their clients. No choice for you. Less work for them, so more profit for them. Less variety for the contractors, more stagnation, less mobility, less pay and also less compensation in terms of the benefits permies get.

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By: Ray Trew https://www.freelanceinformer.com/news/ir35/ir35-its-driven-35-of-contractors-out-of-self-employment/#comment-386 Sat, 30 Oct 2021 12:42:12 +0000 https://www.freelanceinformer.com/?p=4661#comment-386 Addendum to my last post

Polices should have read policed

In addition we would have had no avoidance with disguised remuneration schemes or indeed the loan charge. HMRC have to accept responsibility for their own failings

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By: Ray Trew https://www.freelanceinformer.com/news/ir35/ir35-its-driven-35-of-contractors-out-of-self-employment/#comment-385 Sat, 30 Oct 2021 12:41:22 +0000 https://www.freelanceinformer.com/?p=4661#comment-385 In reply to Ray Trew.

Addendum to my last post

Polices should have read policed

In addition we would have had no avoidance with disguised remuneration schemes or indeed the loan charge. HMRC have to accept responsibility for their own failings

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By: Ray Trew https://www.freelanceinformer.com/news/ir35/ir35-its-driven-35-of-contractors-out-of-self-employment/#comment-384 Sat, 30 Oct 2021 12:25:00 +0000 https://www.freelanceinformer.com/?p=4661#comment-384 In reply to Belinda Brooke.

Good retort but i would go further and say IR35 wasnt even necessary it was introduced in 2000 and was a sledgehammer to crack a walnut. 80% of those who were so called exploiting the physical advantage of a corporate structure were engaged via a recruitment agency and we had at that time the Agency Rules ICTA 1988 section 134 which is now ITEPA 2003 s44 and both clearly state all remuneration received from a Agency should be taxed under schedule E (PAYE). Agencies encouraged use of PSC’s for own financial gain by saving paying employers NIC’s. If HMRC had polices this sector and enforced legislation that was in place IR35 would have never got on the statute books

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By: Ray https://www.freelanceinformer.com/news/ir35/ir35-its-driven-35-of-contractors-out-of-self-employment/#comment-379 Thu, 28 Oct 2021 10:32:02 +0000 https://www.freelanceinformer.com/?p=4661#comment-379 Totally agree the system is strangling contractors my monthly costs to get to work are expensive and I can’t claim them back through the unregulated umbrella were forced to use, seems with apprentice levy and us paying the umbrellas insurance fee etc it’s becoming unworkable for many overseas workers like myself , I get calls from agents nearly every day it seems a lot on practitioners have left the contract world and gone back full time to shield themselves from covid and other things but this has created clearly a very big void in the environmental health contract world interestingly the umbrella costs across the year are more expensive than using an accountant once per year !!! So it shows the government is sponsoring these get rich quick umbrellas !!! It’s not raining so I don’t need or want an expensive umbrella !!!!

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